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Old 09-02-2022, 20:09   #3860
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Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by ianch99 View Post
Ah bless ..

I am "moaning" about the corrupt Vote Leave cabal who groomed and deceived enough people to get this grubby little project over the line. The consequences of which will be increasing revealed as the fog of Covid dissipates.
STILL moaning about the conduct of the referendum! Well, bless you, too.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 View Post
The EU nations all have different approaches. Denmark and Sweden are leading Europe in dismantling their Covid restrictions.
https://www.euronews.com/2022/02/09/...t-restrictions

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Which of those are wrong?

1. "be a temporary role, lasting no more than six-months given Johnson's lack of electoral popularity" Labour remains ahead in the polls and many commentators including Chris on this forum expect him gone in the Summer which will result in a cabinet reshuffle.

2. "increasing waiting lists" https://www.ft.com/content/a3413758-...3-4384f4ca6d11

3. "inflation" https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/09/brit...gy-crisis.html

4. "Fuel prices." Cap up by 54% this month with Martin Lewis today suggesting a further 20% increase in October
See https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/ne...price-cap-and/


I welcome your evidence-based repudiation of my statement.
1. The EU nations all have different approaches. Denmark and Sweden are leading Europe in dismantling their Covid restrictions.

We are still ahead though and looking forward to all remaining restrictions to be lifted within a couple of weeks or so.

2. Which of those are wrong?

"be a temporary role, lasting no more than six-months given Johnson's lack of electoral popularity" Labour remains ahead in the polls and many commentators including Chris on this forum expect him gone in the Summer which will result in a cabinet reshuffle.

“increasing waiting lists" https://www.ft.com/content/a3413758-...3-4384f4ca6d11

“I inflation" https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/09/brit...gy-crisis.html

"Fuel prices." Cap up by 54% this month with Martin Lewis today suggesting a further 20% increase in October
See https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/ne...price-cap-and/

I welcome your evidence-based repudiation of my statement.

First point. BJ’s unpopularity is entirely due to Dominic Cummings’ scurrilous allegations which we fondly refer to as ‘Partygate’. I agree that if those allegations are upheld by the police or the expanded Sue Gray report, he is probably toast, but if not, as seems pretty likely since most of these ‘parties’ were not attended by the PM, and were not arranged by him, then his popularity will begin to be restored. This will probably go on to be the biggest non-story ever.

I suspect the ultimate verdict will be that these were work events or breaks between work events. You know, like the one Sir Keir attended when caught with his beer. The police have already decided to take no action on that, so I think this gives a clear indication of where the partygate allegations will end up.

Second point Labour’s lead in the polls is directly related to Partygate. A General Election is still a way off, and it is most unlikely that the electorate will vote Labour back in again. You only need to listen to what the voters are saying about their opinion of Starmer’s Labour Party to know that.

Third point Waiting lists are as high as they are owing to a combination of Labour’s 2008 recession which forced us into austerity and the impact of the pandemic. Sajid Javid now has a plan to tackle this, but it will take time.

Fourth point Inflation is the result of global oil prices and the impact of Covid restrictions coming to an end.

Fifth point You know very well that the rest of the world is also impacted by world oil prices, so I’m not sure what your point is, particularly as Labour would have increased taxes on petrol and diesel.


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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 View Post
We've generally done a great job on rolling-over trade deals.

But exports to Europe have suffered and costs have risen more than they needed to, making us worse off.

And asylum-seekers continue to cross the channel at their peril in large numbers. The deterrent that they will be sent back to the EU has now been removed.

We need to resolve the NI dispute and make EU trade as frictionless as possible as such costs will only be passed onto us again through higher prices.
These are short-term problems, not long-term problems. Your mistake is that you think none of this can be resolved. They can be, but not in the space of less than 18 months.

Glad you’ve acknowledged the progress on trade deals. Expect much more over the coming years.
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