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Originally Posted by Hugh
worthwhile. According to your logic, warning a seatbelt is "virtue signalling".
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No it isn't.
But someone going round banging on doors of cars where people aren't, or drawing overt attention to the fact that they are wearing a seatbelt, would be virtue signalling.
I do understand that the vaccines reduce the risk even if they don't eliminate it...
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Originally Posted by jonbxx
Would you not have an expectation that going to a hospital whose sole purpose is your good health that staff should take all reasonable efforts to ensure exactly that? It's not protecting your virtue, it's protecting your health.
I am taking my daughter to a hospital appointment this week and if my daughter or I were to get infected from an unvaccinated health provider, should I shrug my shoulders and say that's the price to pay for someone else's freedom?
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I'd expect that the hospital would have mitigations in place to ensure that staff or other patients did not spread infectious diseases.
Not just covid, but other infections like norovirus, flu, colds, MRSA, etc etc.
In the case of specifically covid, we know that even vaccinated people can spread it, so the chance of getting from an unvaccinated person exists similarly that the chance of getting it from a vaccinated person does.
So they should be doing daily LFTs, regular PCRs as often as is practical, wearing proper surgical PPE and changing it when it's contaminated, ventilation systems checked, adequate cleaning, it's all part of the jigsaw to keep people safe where there are sick people and germs all over.
I'm pro-vaccination, it's the best way we have out of this, and the best solution we have to stopping people getting covid, but no vaccine is perfect, it's one tactic. So actually, whilst I largely agree with you, they shouldn't be relying on that a staff member is vaccinated to say that this staff member is OK to act without other precautions anyway. And as these precautions would identify if someone is covid positive then they would equally apply to non vaccinated staff. That's sensible really.