[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

So what? Sovereignty is the reason for Brexit and the 4% is priced in by the 52%.

It might be by you and Chris but there's plenty of Leavers I know who still believe the spin that we won't be worse off. Ask them who's paying for the customs checks and paperwork and it gets interesting!

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Originally Posted by Chris

You do realise that all these “hasn’t happened” arguments have all the credibility of a child asking if we’re there yet when the car’s barely off the drive?

I expect the Brexit process to be defended in this thread but this is not its strongest defence. If one of the cited selling points of the Referendum 6.5 years ago was to remove red tape, then surely we at least knew what the red tape was that we were going to get rid of? If this was impeding the economy then it would seem sensible to remove it at the same time as we were busy erecting more red tape for exporters? Or at the very least, given Covid, to have a timetable for its removal?

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Think you aimed that one at Andrew by mistake, you should be pulling Old Boy up on his 'how do you know as it hasn't happened yet' arguements he does it quite often (for example, see his post immediately before the one of yours I've quoted).

To be honest though, Old Boy is nothing but consistent - his claims of the benefits still to come from Brexit are just like a rehash of his claims of the (impendingish) end of TV as we know in the next cough cough number of years.

Yup. Optimism is a likable personality trait, but you can't base a business or economy on it.