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Originally Posted by ianch99

The evidence is clear and all around: there never was going to be any "sunlit uplands" and there never will be. This grubby little project was sold on the basis promise of no downsides, only positives. Permanent 4% loss in GDP is just the start, the list is endless.

I suppose that if the outcome you have been hoping for, against all evidence, does not happen then all you have left is bitter denial or a redefinition of the reality we all saw. I think we are now at the "Well, I always said that the problems and pain would happen but trust me, it will pass and those sunlit uplands will arrive, honest, have faith" phase.

I think the most depressing part of this is that people who you would like you are rational and honest can still deny self-evident reality.

It depends on what is meant by "sunlit uplands". Certainly there has to be a period of adjustment so that opportunities can be forged and subsequently exploited.

But to call Brexit "a grubby little project" misses the point of Brexit. The EU is inching forward, slowly but surely, into a federal state. Currently it is an association of independent states, but the directives and regulatory system is gradually strangling national independence - and this is now dawning on the various countries.

People absolutely did not buy and Brexit hyperbole; the 52% just wanted to get away from the tightening stranglehold.

Your misunderstanding of the public rational for Brexit is probably deliberate.