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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
That's all very interesting but 100% irrelevant. You constructed an entire argument around your misplaced belief that Johnson had criticised his own Brexit deal whereas he criticised May's. Seph acknowledged that Johnson had not criticised his own deal at the time as well and I even provided a link to the Br'Express article reporting his announcement of the deal.
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You need to concentrate more, Andrew. It is not at all irrelevant. I have posted the tweet he sent out in that link. So he didn't like May's deal one bit. He realised, however, that the only way of getting Brexit done by the date he had promised was to remove the worst part of it - the backstop. Further changes would not have been possible to get this deal as he wanted within the timescale.
Of course he hailed the result of the changes he made, as he wanted the thing passed! But the tweet made clear he was having to lump it for the most part. I also recall reading Boris saying that other aspects of the deal could be changed over time once out of the EU.
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
The transitional period is over Old Boy. We left the Single Market and from 1st October we will be inspecting EU imports.
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What a ridiculous thing to say! Of course the transitional period is not over! The whole deal has yet to be implemented (as you admitted in that very sentence (highlighted) and things are still having to settle down. There are still many issues to be resolved.
The Northern Ireland border issue is still going to take some months yet before we manage to make this work, for example.
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Nope, as per usual you only selectively consider what you wish to reply to.
I’ll fully admit I’m a remainer, however if you bother to review my posts you’ll see that I’ve repeatedly said that now Brexit has been done we need to make it a success. That success however needs to be based on realism. Not head in the clouds dreaming as you demonstrated with your earlier posts regarding customs technology.
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As before there will be a technological solution but it’s not available YET
We may well end making a success of Brexit and contrary to your beliefs I hope we do, as the alternative would be very grim indeed.
Let us not forget, many brexiteers have stated repeatedly that we don’t need the EU or that they needed us more than we needed them. These seem people are now whinging that rhe EU aren’t playing fair.
Well, nows the UK’s chance to prove it doesn’t need the EU. I have to say however that it’s not going very well so far.
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The EU is still posturing and trying to screw us into the ground. Only when all this jostling ends and we finally have an agreement that both sides agree with will normal relations start to be established.
Your point about technical solutions not yet being available is another lie being put about by those who want to see us fail. Of course they are there, and New Zealand have already found such a solution for their exports, as my link showed.
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If you're being realistic and not idealistic, what can we offer to Ireland in return for them agreeing to a worse Northern Ireland Protocol? They've got the EU behind them. The EU can make things difficult for our exporters to the Continent if Ireland felt we were acting in a perfidious manner.
Realistically, what cards do we honestly hold that we've not played yet?
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Seph has addressed that already. Ireland is not in the best position if we pull out.
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
How much time, Rees Smug reckons 50 years...
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Don't tell me you are giving credence to that man in your desperation to prove yourself right! Now that is funny!
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Agreed - pretty much everyone in the UK wants it to be as successful as possible regardless of which party or way they voted in the referendum. But wishful thinking or blind faith hasn't and doesn't solve the Brexit Irish border issue.
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All I think we can offer Ireland in return for any concessions is international support on its low Corporation tax rate and perhaps some money for cross-border initiatives and a loan of Gareth Southgate. 
A hard border Irish border and the potential for terrorism which is a consequence of what you suggest is not normalising matters. And that's without the huge negative economic impacts coming from the situation. The EU would likely be on hand to bail out Ireland but who would support us?
I believe the situation you hope for is clearly unrealistic.
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Crikey, you could have fooled me! I could almost hear your hands rubbing with glee at every single problem that we have had with leaving the EU!
Realistically, Ireland will have a real problem if we start refocussing our trade away from them, because we are their main trading partner. They have a lot to lose if we decrease our imports from them and increase agricultural trade with Australia and New Zealand, for example. And when we eventually get a trade deal with the US (which is unlikely with Biden in power), that would make things even worse for Ireland.
Obviously, Ireland is pushing for the best deal from their perspective, but if they push too far they will be miscalculating - big time.