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Originally Posted by pip08456
So SAGE become the Government. What a stupid uninformed point of view.
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No worse than your ability to read, evidently.
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The Government have to take in advice from many areas, attempt to weigh the pro's and con's and proceed accordingly.
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Indeed, it’s Government responsibility for the outcomes as I was stating to Old Boy. The Government tried to drag the “three week” lockdown to the Easter holidays as it’d have less economic impact. Not Whitty, not SAGE...
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Don't forget the SAGE advice was based on modelling since shown inept at best.
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Has it?
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The current models for unlocking are not based on seasonal changes or actual vaccine take up so how can they be trusted?
Cases reducing, hospitalisation reducing, deaths reducing P-leasssse.
It has still yet to be proven that lockdowns actually work, they may in the short term to reduce pressure on hospitals but do they work overall?
Many people look to the far east to prove the effectivence of lockdowns/mask wearing without factoring in societal differences.
New Zealand is often brought up as an example but far easier to control the spread than any other 1st world country.
As Society is responsible for everything it does for and on behalf of itself why should any Government need to legislate what that society does?
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Ah the “societal differences” trope.
As for your final point why have a speed limit? Require seatbelts? There’s a whole swathe of activity Governments don’t trust individuals with.
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Shielding the vulnerable was perfectly sensible before we had the vaccine, because without that all we could do was slow it down.
As I said, there were other aspects over and above the Sage advice that needed to be taken account of. The government listened to ALL the arguments. Taking a different decision does not necessarily mean you ignored the advice. It was not taken for the reasons we will hear about when the review is forthcoming.
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So European folk aren’t at risk despite a stalling vaccine rollout? It can only be one or the other, OB.
I eagerly await the review. The trailers for the bold Dom’s evidence have been good so far.