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Old 22-08-2020, 14:15   #3205
jfman
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
Another big assumption you have made against someone who disagrees with you.

It is difficult to deny that referendums are very divisive and create tensions, even within families. The Brexit referendum and its immediate aftermath was extremely damaging and the last Scottish independence referendum was equally damaging.

Those people who are demanding another referendum will never accept the result if it goes against them. Win it, and that's it, no further discussion!

This is such a childish wheeze and everyone can see through it for what it is. I was quite happy to have the Scottish and Brexit referendums at the time, but I am dead against repeating them over and over until the 'right' result is obtained, which of course, would then be 'final'. My opposition to further referendums, and I suspect most people of common sense, is nothing to do with any fear of losing. What I cannot abide is this cynical manipulation of democracy, which is what this is, and you know that.
The good news is Old Boy you’re exactly part of the problem I describe for unionism in Scotland. Unionists howling into an echo chamber of unionism. Fundamentally, as a resident of England and presumably someone born there, you seek to deny the people of Scotland their right to choose their destiny.

Democracy cannot be cynically manipulated if people consistently vote for Governments on a mandate to do something. In 2021 this wouldn’t be a one of wheeze, it would follow the mandate from 2017, and independence would require a mandate of its own following that.

That is, unfortunately, democracy in action.

You believe England bankrolls Scotland, yet want to continue to do so against the will of the people of Scotland. Please come up to Scotland and campaign on this basis. I’ll even pay you. It’ll be hilarious.
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