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Old 14-08-2020, 19:58   #5137
jfman
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Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Pierre View Post
Not really, restrictions have been eased since June and lockdown was lifted well over a month ago.
As you know the biggest restrictions are schools and the middle classes working from home.

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Thousands have been congregating on Beaches, pubs and rallies, infection rate has stayed steady around 1000 or less. It was announced again today that it has levelled off again after a slight rise.
I’m sure it was announced today that R is above 1 in England. That road leads one place. Lockdown.

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The Manchester council leader on R4 today advised that infection rates in Oldham are double, yet hospital admissions have halved.

It was predicted months ago, and posted on here by me, that a second wave would not happen and it would be a plateau with the odd ripple, and that is what is happening.
You need to be right about that every day. I only need to be right once. And we are at or near the limits of what we can ease.

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As much as you would to see Rome burn, it ain’t going to happen
Far from. I’ve been advising that short term pain = long term gain. Old normal back in action. Despite its failings it was/is achievable.

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I’ve already said there won’t be “Normal“ but restrictions should continue to lifted and local fluctuations should be dealt with by just shielding the at risk groups.

I know who benefits from further lockdowns, no one. We need to be smarter.
And we will not be smarter by following strategies discounted by the entire world.

I don’t think that you fully understand the precarious nature of almost every capitalist business working in competitive markets. They can’t afford small single figure drops in trade, let alone the levels of shift we will see as the middle classes, and thanks to technology many administrative working classes, shield over the winter, absolutely rationally. You sanction the over 50s shielding - a further sizeable proportion of the consumer base.

These fundamentally undermine the entire economy and will continue to do so in the long term. It is not me advocating Rome burning. I’m advocating throwing the volume of the Atlantic Ocean over it. You seem to think if everyone opens a window and urinates out of it that this will cause the flame to subside. If I am certain of anything it will not.

If you end up right on this it will be by pure chance.
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