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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
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If you're happy to give up notional sovereignty as you've described (actually we've given up next to nothing in sovereignty terms by being members of those associations), you should be able to answer the simple question I've posed in relation to the EU. I'll put it another way.
Which of these concessions should we make to the EU in order to achieve the best possible economic outcome:
1. ECJ jurisdiction over the trade deal?
2. Level playing field that goes beyond Canada, Japan ?
3. Sovereignty over UK territorial waters including fishing rights?
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I've explained how participation in Five Eyes (Huawei anyone?), NATO (British army reporting into US superiors and vice versa) impact on our sovereignty. Sovereignty is not a binary situation as has been demonstrated across the EU since the Covid outbreak but I appreciate that some have bought into this perception and uncloaking it is hard.
And no, agreeing to the entry rules are not concessions Seph, that's a highly defeatist way of framing the argument.
We should obviously try and negotiate these in our favour as much as possible. Of the above criteria, the one which I would aim to negotiate hardest on is No. 1. Only a socialist or a pessimist that thinks we can only survive as a low cost manufacturer (a la the recent sweatshop issues in Leicester) would have a genuine issue with No. 2 and we need to be careful with No. 3 as the fish we catch is largely sold to the EU, it's typically not species consumed in the UK.
I hope this helps.