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Originally Posted by pip08456
OK then. Who do we celebrate Llywelyn ap Gruffudd or Gruffudd ap Llywelyn?
Llywelyn ap Gruffudd (1223-1282)
Gruffudd ap Llywelyn (died 1063 don't know birth date).
As you can see from the names things get complicated. 
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that's easy for you to say