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Old 15-07-2020, 09:46   #3080
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

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Originally Posted by jfman View Post
I’m not forgetting. For many it’s simply about ideology in any case - you don’t have to look far to see some that won’t even entertain an extension for purely ideological reasons. That’s their democratic right.

Remainers squandered their opportunity for a second referendum or a customs union (some argue that’s not leaving - it’s not relevant any more whether it was or wasn’t) and at some point discourse has to move on. The electorate will not elect a 2nd referendum Government. Even if it did, I’m not convinced remain would win.
I agree that the opposition to the Leave project was inept. The "democratic" mandate that drives the vitriol and indignation to any dissent is and always was flawed. Both from a wider definition of democracy and from a moral one. The proposition that 37% of a country's electorate can decide the destiny of the entire population can never be accepted as real democracy. Of course, we have a system that favours a certain outcome. Add the lies, criminality, targeted dark propaganda and misdirection and you arrive at where we are now. Had Leave won, having fought an honourable campaign with a costed and worked plan, opposition would have faded away.

Anyway, we are where we are and in this situation, as Project Fear becomes Project Reality, there is a ongoing need to hold the conmen to task.
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