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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
I think you're right - in the UK the conversation is less extreme. People aren't taking offence at words with black in, etc. There isn't widespread removal of statues.
In terms of targets I do see monitoring as useful. If 15% of the working population in an organisation's area is BAME and it only employs 5% BAME there is a potential issue, surely?
It's not about special treatment but it could be about having apprenticeships for entry as oppose to 100% graduates. It could be about advertising in places that everyone will see and not relying on the existing employees to recommend a friend.
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Statues are being removed or are under attack, Names are being erased from history.
Doesn't mean all of that 15% is available, qualified, or even suitable. Eg sections where women don't go to work, or they don't speak English will straight away reduce that 15%. Should any business/organisation that employs more BAME than in the area be forced to reduce that number? If not, you end up with a situation where they over-represented overall. Same argument goes for women. I should imagine if you looked at small non-white owned businesses, the diversity wouldn't be that great.
There is a huge gulf between entry-level apprenticeship and post-graduate. How is that not asking for special treatment? How many firms never advertise in any form? Fictitious argument, as usual.
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
You're going off-piste into the world of strawmen. I've not said this. I've given you the basic principles to apply as has Hugh.
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How is it "strawmen".
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Countryfile has sparked a debate on racism with a story suggesting people from the BAME community feel unwelcome in the countryside.
Last night, the BBC show aired a piece fronted by Dwayne Fields in which he investigated a report by Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA).
The report, published last year, focused on how people from black, Asian or minority ethnic communities as well as white people felt the UK's national parks are very much a "white environment".
During the segment, Dwayne explained: "When I talk to people from the BAME community, it's clear that they don't view the UK countryside as somewhere that's for them.
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No FACTUAL basis for feeling anything like that. They just have to claim it is, and it magically that is proof. In non-white countries, how many people go rambling, camping etc, just for the enjoyment of it? The culture of doing those things, just isn't there in the first place. THEIR problem, not ours.