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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There is no need to apologise at all any more than Italy needs to apologise for Roman pillage etc. Every thing evolves. It’ a stupid woke concept.

As regards how the ex-colonised view matters, they are the subject of corrupt and cruel governments and the demand, if any, for compensation comes from those very same corrupted politicians. I’m generalusing because there are minor exceptions.

As regards foreign aid, it has been mis-spent especially when seen in the context of what needs sorting out in the UK.

You're having fun with your new word. You think invading countries, subjugating their people and exploiting their resources is just part of "evolving" and so is legitimate? Strange moral compass you have.

Originally Posted by nomadking

The "colonial powers" were last into slavery, and FIRST out. In Africa, slaves were taken by Black people. Slavery existed in Africa long before the White slave traders turned up. If anything it is the FACT that slavery existed before, that gave the White slave traders the idea in the first place. Not really much evidence around that time in White "western" societies of slavery, before visiting Africa.

Another strange moral position: the Africans were doing it already so where's the problem if we just join in and help ourselves? Also, Indentured servitude, a step not much removed from slavery, was a common practice in Europe and the New World:

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Indentured_servitude

An indentured servant or indentured laborer is an employee (indenturee) within a system of unfree labor who is bound by a signed or forced contract (indenture) to work without pay for the owner of the indenture for a period of time. The contract often lets the employer sell the labor of an indenturee to a third party. Indenturees usually enter into an indenture for a specific payment or other benefit (such as transportation to a new place), or to meet a legal obligation, such as debt bondage. On completion of the contract, indentured servants were given their freedom, and occasionally plots of land. Indentured servitude was often brutal, with a high percentage[vague] of servants dying prior to the expiration of their indentures. In many countries, systems of indentured labor have now been outlawed, and are banned by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as a form of slavery.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don't think it is for us to apologise for the acts of our forefathers. That's pretty pathetic. Maybe we should tell the Italians to apologise to us for the Roman Invasion and for the atrocities inflicted on British people ordered by Emperor Claudius. The whole idea of apologising for our history is farcical, to say the least.

As for the Foreign Aid programme, there are not many who would begrudge disaster relief, but you must know very well that a huge amount is wasted. That is what we object to.

Another one for "well, what about the Romans?" If you didn't use such ridiculous comparisons, you might be able to debate the point. As this is an Internal forum, we need to involve WWII so let's ask this question: should the German people feel guilty and apologise for the actions of the Nazi Party?

Ah you say, Great Britain was nothing like the Nazi's so the comparison is invalid and of course, we're British after all. But the Germans invaded sovereign countries and we never .. ok, maybe we did. The Germans plundered the wealth & resources of the conquered and we never .. ok, maybe we did. And So On ..

If it is wrong, it is wrong. There are degrees of wrong but they are still wrong.

Originally Posted by Paul

Absolutely. Why would anyone apologise for something 200+ years ago, over which they had zero control. The whole idea is nonsense..

I was not just referring to the issue of Slavery rather the consequence of having a colonial past.