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Originally Posted by Pierre
You Are very good at putting words into people’s mouths, and making conclusions on that, based actually on what you have said.
They’ve got guns, they’ve got batons and they’ve got pepper spray and there’s 4 of them, In short they were well enough equipped to deal with one man - without killing him.
he was outside the vehicle.
. I didn’t say put him in the car, nor did I say unrestrained.
Why is the van fictional?
No, like I said, 4 guys, cuff him, put him on his arse, next to the car, wait until he calms down. Hold him down if necessary - just not on his neck.
I’ve never said he shouldn’t be restrained. But cuffed and put in the back of a van (A proper caged van] by himself. He would’ve calmed down.
I’ve never said they shouldn’t use force.
Bottom line is, they are a professional police force, he was one guy, unarmed, they should have the skill and ability to restrain him, detain him and immobilise him if necessary, without killing him. It is really that simple and straightforward.
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This is what your words were.
"I didn’t say they should use them. The fact they have them is a
deterrent. Is the point I was making.". As I pointed out, a deterrent is only a deterrent if you're prepared and expected to use it. By using the word "deterrent", you implied they should've been prepared to use that deterrent. If in your imagination, simply carrying a gun should subdue somebody else, how come he was kicking off anyway? In what way do you expect them to have used any batons?
Pepper spray doesn't immobilise you, it just disorientates you even more.
At one point he was in the patrol car. He was handcuffed and in a caged vehicle. Why would it being a van make it any different? He had to be removed from the patrol car because of whatever he was doing in there.
How were they expected to restrain and immobilise him until this hypothetical van turned up? How long would that have taken?
When exactly did he show signs of calming down? He was under the influence of 2 drugs. He had to be forcibly dragged out of his car, dropped to the ground to try and avoid being put in the patrol car. Got up to whatever in the car. He never said or indicated "I give up, I'll come quietly".
He will have been needed to be restrained, because of the risk of injuring HIMSELF. They wouldn't have removed him from the patrol car just for fun.