Thread: Black Lives Matter
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Old 11-06-2020, 20:45   #339
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees View Post
Partially correct, BLM is not just about police brutality but also systemic racism in society. There's equal call in the US for removal of statues, Nascar has banned the use of the confederate flag The military were also open to discussing renaming some of their forts until Trump stopped in and blocked it.

Calling people pathetic for exercising their democratic right to protest (that vast majority of it has been peaceful) seems a little off

I don't think many want to change history, but they want a greater degree of acceptance and or knowledge with regards to who suffered.

Let's use the removal of the statue in Bristol as an example. It's removal does not change the historic events, but it does stop the modern day 'celebration' of the man who perpetrated them.
Vandalism of our statues is not democratic protest. It is criminal damage, and yes, pathetic. As you say, the vast majority of protesters were peaceful, and you know very well I was not referring to them.

If these people who wanted those statues removed in this way were serious about getting 'acceptance and knowledge with regards to who suffered', it's a strange way to go about it, because now the evidence is no longer there, having been removed. The campaign should have rested on having a plaque or inscription that also referred to those matters. That would educate those who did not know.

As for putting the statue in the museum in its sorry state, grafitti covered to boot, that can only have been a decision made by Labour politicians. They should be truly ashamed.

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Originally Posted by Rexz View Post
You really think explaining to someone how we became who we are from the slave trade will receive admiration or settle the race issue? This will never be a dropped issue, regardless of how many statues you pull down/deface or history you try to 'explain'.

The whole BLM movement in itself was inherently racist. To fight inequality it should benefit all races. Empowering one race does not bring about equality, it drives a huge wedge right through the middle. I've seen the argument "but today we are talking about black lives..."... the last time I looked, there was more than just black people in this world who are still currently oppressed or persecuted because of their race, religion or culture.

I can already see signs of racism being acceptable if its against white people.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/...ng-up-22167457

"The difference there is these white characters are an empowered group, so it's actually OK to make a comment on them."
Hold on - this all erupted from black people being brutilised and killed on the streets of the US! It's the police of the US who are racist, and they get away with killing black people every day. They are looking for equality with white people and justice. What's wrong with that?

I suppose you also take the view that the suffragettes should have been campaigning for men to get the vote, even though they already had it. That's how ridiculous the argument you have presented is.
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