[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

No, because there's no evidence that similar figures didn't enter other European countries. Neither does the evidence suggest they entered simultaneously as you frequently portrayed they describe a window across two months.

What that shows is that if we had implemented airport screening we could have caught 700 of them (give or take). Had we implemented a lockdown sooner, or cancelled major sporting events like Liverpool v Athletico Madrid before thousands came over the impact of the virus would have been reduced.

Surely you must believe these were now errors in retrospect?

The study also says the controversial football match between Liverpool and Atletico Madrid, on 11 March, probably had very little impact on bringing the virus into the country.
An estimated 3,000 fans flew in from Spain to watch the game, but there were 20,000 people flying in from Spain every single day in mid-March.
"[It] shows that individual events such as football matches likely made a negligible contribution to the number of imports at that time," the study says.

So how many cases did South Korea detect at their airports?
Chances are that it was a lot less than 1,500 people.
26th March, South Korea, so relatively late on and after UK lockdown.

Korea reported 104 new cases Thursday, bringing total infections to 9,241, according to the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Of the new cases, 39 cases -- 34 citizens and five foreign nationals -- involved travelers arriving in Korea from abroad. Of these imported cases, 25 were from Europe, 11 from America and three from Asia. Some 30 were detected during airport quarantine screening.

That's around a quarter missed via screening.
March 16.

South Korea, which has the highest number of cases in Asia after China, now has a total to 8,162 confirmed infections and 75 deaths, the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said (KCDC).

Most of that 8,162 was down to just ONE infected person that was missed using screening.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

it may of been here long long before then.



People may of have been dying from it before it was even named. who knows.

I can't wait until anti-body tests are freely available, as I suspect Mrs Pierre had it in December.

There were other related bugs also going around at that time.
Link

But others are more sceptical. David Brown, a retired molecular virologist worked on coronaviruses for 20 years.
His wife got pneumonia over Christmas, with an appalling cough and loss of taste and smell.
He thinks she and many others probably had another coronavirus, OC43, which can also cause respiratory illnesses.
"OC43 can be really severe. It can cause recurring infections in your lifetime like other coronaviruses. There's no surveillance of it, and it's impossible to go back and check," he says.
...
But we've got to be really careful that we don't retrofit general winter respiratory symptoms to match Covid-19.
Researchers at the University of Nottingham have begun analysing samples from patients with lung problems going back to January.
Jonathan Ball, professor of molecular virology says: "The earliest point we can detect the virus is about the third week of February.
"One thing that I constantly get told is: 'I must have had Covid in November, December, or January, because my symptoms fit the description.' But that doesn't fit what we've found in samples."