[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

One that they caught was referenced in the programme. There have been others (else surely the virus wouldn’t be present at all?). What they’ve shown is how to target individual infections and break chains of transmission.

This applies whether in villages, towns, cities, at train stations, in airports.

They have a well oiled machine designed to find and stamp out the virus.

We’ve scientific advisers that says it’s too hard and shrug their shoulders. It’s a bad flu, after all.

And the Government here advised against.

And abandoned it because without airport screening and large scale testing it’s pissing in the wind. All because we took the decision it wasn’t worth identifying individual cases to stamp out the outbreak.

That was a political choice along with “herd immunity week“.

The word you are looking for is flawed, Nomadking. The response was flawed.

What measures the UK public would tolerate would vary depending on what options you were giving them - framed against a choice of lockdowns and the economy tanking very quickly people would be amenable to some of the measures in South Korea.

Finally, a sensible point. Yes, South Korea are world leaders in this field based on experience. Not guesswork.

Back to your selective use of evidence once more. Look at the headline infection and death rates in South Korea and less severe economic impact.

You are putting up the straw man that if South Korea have ANY INFECTIONS AT ALL that is failure.

Any impartial observer, not desperate to defend our response at any cost would happily swap it for the 99.99% of times South Korea get it right.


No individual can beat the pandemic. People get infected in workplaces, in cars, at home and on public transport.

This requires state infrastructure in place to test, trace and isolate. Again you are simply trying to absolve the Government of blame.

While those on benefits can sit at home with their feed up in a global pandemic the workforce needs the state to make going to work and carrying out relatively normal activities to be made as safe as possible. That requires test, trace and isolate.

The South Korea experience with MERS, DIDN'T happen in the UK. That influenced SCIENTIFIC advice in the UK.


The queues outside KFC etc, clearly demonstrate those in UK are a bunch of morons and nothing will work.


On which planet would people in the UK have allowed the things that were in place in South Korea? What other countries followed the South Korea example? Even South Korea didn't until recently.

The World Health Organization (WHO) has changed its advice on face masks, saying they should be worn in public to help stop the spread of coronavirus.
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At the same time, the WHO stressed that face masks were just one of a range of tools that could be used to reduce the risk of transmission - and that they should not give people a false sense of protection.
"Masks on their own will not protect you from Covid-19," said WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.

So it was just the UK?

The organisation said its new guidance had been prompted by studies over recent weeks. "We are advising governments to encourage that the general public wear a mask," Dr Van Kerkhove said.

February 2010 report

43. HPA believes that the practical issues for public use as laid out above, coupled with the reduced likelihood, intensity and duration of exposure (compared with healthcare settings), the risk of diluting or complicating messages about home self-isolation, the risks of engendering a false sense of security (eg overemphasis on masks as means of protection compared with hand washing) increase the likelihood that masks worn widely by the public would provide little benefit.

If you have to base a plan on absolutely everything that's even slightly possible, it just gets silly. You have to keep a sense of proportion, and base things on what is most likely to happen, and that in turn will be based upon what has actually happened in the past.


If you have LESS points of introduction, then WHATEVER you do or don't do, will mean LESS cases. If you have people coming in from all over the world, China, Germany, Italy, France, Austria etc, then you will have MORE cases IRRESPECTIVE of what you do or don't do.
Just think of the fictional scenario where somebody deliberately uses people to spread a virus. The more people used in country X compared to country Y, will increase the number of infections in X compared to Y. THAT IS COMMON SENSE.