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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
I suspect they have Governments somewhat more competent at track and trace than ours.  |
Competence or otherwise ISN'T the issue. Why haven't Germany and South Korea long been plagued with scammers? Or is it simply their media hasn't given people any ideas of carrying out scams in the first place. Just because Germany had a extremely limited form of tracing, doesn't mean it had any impact. Testing water quality and measles outbreaks are not really comparable. Even Italy had a form of tracing, and look what happened there.
Contact tracing WAS taking place in the UK, but the number of cases rose so rapidly it then had to be abandoned. As the quote from the Doctor in Italy said.
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One doctor in Bologna, who asked not to be named, said he had spent a 12-hour day tracing people who had been in contact with just one positive patient, to ensure those who next need testing are found. “You can do that if the number of cases remains two to three,” the doctor said. “But if they grow, something has to give. The system will implode if we continue to test everyone actively and then have to do all this.”
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This includes enforcing a law that grants the government wide authority to access data: CCTV footage, GPS tracking data from phones and cars, credit card transactions, immigration entry information, and other personal details of people confirmed to have an infectious disease. The authorities can then make some of this public, so anyone who may have been exposed can get themselves - or their friends and family members - tested.
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Good luck with trying that over here.
The media would have a giant hissy fit, as always.
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“Patient 31,” as she became known, was a member of a secretive church which Deputy Minister for Health and Welfare Kim Gang-lip said has since linked to 61% of cases. Infections spread beyond the congregation after the funeral of a relative of the church’s founder was held at a nearby hospital, and there were several other smaller clusters around the country. Once the church cluster was identified, South Korea opened around 50 drive-through testing facilities around the country.
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Tracing within such a relatively enclosed group is a lot easier, than having to trace people at a parties or in pubs. If instead "Patient 31" had been a bit of a "party animal", then it's almost certain the spread would have been a lot wider. Just as one of their outbreaks was created by a "party animal" going to different clubs.
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More than 100 cases have been linked to nightlife venues in the South Korean capital, and on Saturday, Seoul ordered all clubs and bars to temporarily close.
The cluster has caused alarm in South Korea, which was among the first countries outside of China to deal with a large-scale coronavirus outbreak. In recent weeks, however, authorities had begun loosening restrictions as case numbers fell.
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Although all three venues linked to the cluster asked for customers' full names and phone numbers on arrival, the city has been unable to contact almost 2,000 club-goers -- meaning they either avoided the calls or gave a false number, Seoul's mayor Park Won-soon said Monday.
The city has had to employ other measures to track them. Using phone signal tower records, the city found that 10,905 people were in the vicinity of the clubs in the nightlife suburb of Itaewon between April 24 and May 6. Authorities have texted them all, saying they should get tested. Officials have also used credit cards to track almost 500 people, who have been asked to get tested and self-quarantine.
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Tracing only works when you are dealing with people that accept it.
One massive WORLD-WIDE error has been the focus on coughing and sneezing as a method of transmission. Talking or merely breathing have been established as large factors. There isn't a sort of 2m range of fug like with after-shave or perfume, surrounding people. It is directional. You could be standing right beside somebody, but as long as you are breathing in a direction away from everybody, then theoretically it should be ok. On the other hand, even 2m metres away face to face, could be a problem.