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Old 16-05-2020, 21:21   #3434
jfman
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Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by nomadking View Post
There has been an outbreak of cases in South Korea after the easing of lockdown.
And they found it. That’s success.

With open international borders this will become a necessity for all countries if we want “normal”. Otherwise it’s “oh, you’ve came from the UK wait there while I check my chart? Second highest death count in the world? 14 days in the cell thanks”.

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61% of cases were tracked back to one person, and that was triggered by the doctor breaking the rules on criteria for testing. Now imagine if instead of just one person, it was 10 in the UK, that would've(ie has) resulted in MANY more cases even WITH testing and tracing. South Korea had at LEAST 61% of their cases BEFORE testing and tracing could have any impact.
61% of cases occurred before testing and tracing had any impact simply because of the success they had using such methods. Had they not been successful it’d have been much worse.

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How would you have gone about tracing people when just look at the fuss over the proposed app.
South Korea
Tell them it’ll be good for the economy. If they’re willing to make human sacrifice of teachers then I’m sure installing an app is neither here nor there. The data collected is considered intrusive, however so is significant restrictions on movement, restrictions on activities, closed pubs, bars, cinemas.

Unfortunately until the UK recognises international best practice for dealing with pandemics and implements it properly then we are in various states of lockdown and economic recession for some time to come. I’m not sure who gains from ignoring this self evident reality.

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Originally Posted by Paul View Post
What party is in power is not exactly relevant.
A different government would be just as keen to revive the economy, or perhaps you would prefer they just werck it completely ?
I’ll refer to “the Government” then instead of the Tories. I’ve no preference to see the economy wrecked, however it’s a flawed understanding to assume that easing restrictions quickly automatically leads to (or speeds up) recovery.

Sweden is going into recession without a lockdown.

The economic outcome and health outcome are now intertwined. Significant easing of restrictions without adequate testing and contact tracing leaves us heading to an Italy (or a repeat of UK wave 1) type situation within 4-6 weeks of easing restrictions, a further complete lockdown and further economic chaos.

And no, I’m not keen on that rest.
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