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Old 30-04-2020, 14:08   #2843
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Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
Herd immunity is almost certainly going to work, and that is what we rely on with all existing vaccination programmes. However, the longer this disease is out there, the more likelihood of a major mutation which will put us back to square one.

We are fighting against nature here and on this one, nature is winning. Of course I understand that the lockdown was designed to relieve pressure on the NHS. I've acknowledged that throughout. However, what nobody seems to be coming to terms with is that lockdowns in themselves don't prevent deaths, they delay them. Germany has just relaxed its lockdown, and guess what? Infection rates are on the rise again. This will keep happening until either we find a vaccine that works and distribute it to everyone or herd immunity is achieved over this elongated period we are now looking at.

It is interesting that you say there is no guarantee that herd immunity will work, and so completely dismiss it. Then in the next sentence, you say there is no guarantee that a vaccine will work, then you embrace it as a solution.

I know that this is not easy, and everyone wants to do something, even if it won't work. Our choice really is whether to stop the lockdowns, let the virus spread while protecting vulnerable people OR have lockdown after lockdown (or one continuous lockdown) until a vaccine becomes available and distributed. That could be one or two years away.

Sooner or later, the government has a tough decision to make, but if they leave it too long, the public will make it for them. The lockdown cannot last too much longer now.

As for having multiple lockdowns ahead, forget it. There is no way we can keep paying people from our rapidly depleting government funds. Not only that, but businesses will start to fail in ever increasing numbers as the weeks go by, so we will end up with mass unemployment and no ability to pay dole money. Just think it through - we cannot let this go on and on.
Could you clarify that, please?

What numbers of deaths, and for what length of time, do you believe are delayed?

The Imperial College paper that convinced the Government to go to lockdown/social isolation, shows that the forecast number of deaths (between 410,000 and 550,000, depending on the R factor (higher the R factor, the more infections)), shows on pages 13 and 14, tables 4 and 5, that the deaths were forecast to be reduced, not delayed. Table 5 shows that, depending on the R factor and variation on the "off" trigger, deaths over 2 years could be reduced from between 85,000 and 100,000 to between 8,700 and 51,000 - reduced, not delayed.

Of course, if you have any scientific forecasts showing that the deaths are delayed, not reduced, that would be very useful/helpful in the discussion.
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