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Old 24-04-2020, 19:22   #2846
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth View Post
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I think you've pulled too narrow a meaning in your response to me remark. "Our fish" means our waters. Other than that, it is a potential trading chip. But do please remember, the big bully EU are standing on as tiny a proportion of their economy as we are; the issue is totemic as I'm sure you are aware. Trouble is that their negotiating approach is to remind us that they are very big and we are small.
If by totemic you mean people place an absolutely irrational value or meaning to them, then absolutely yes I'm in agreement.

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Do we share the same sea? The sea is parcelled up into territorial waters and economic waters, all recognised under International Law.
While we have clearly defined borders within it, we fundamentally share or have a stake in it and the sustainability of fishing stocks.

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I understand your point, but you would know as well as I do that the EU doesn't want to UK to be more competitive than their stifled industries rather than the other way round. They are the ones insisting on a level playing field. Our Guvmin is not (although some might criticise that).
Nor would we want the EU to be more competitive than our own industry - it's fairly fundamental to any international trade. It doesn't make the EU the "big bad guy"; indeed if we take that view then India, Japan, China and the USA will all be the same in negotiations due to relative economic strength.

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I just want to be shot of the EU and watch it tear itself apart in due course.
Politically that's straightforward, even done. However economically that can't be the case for as long as trade (and the EU) exists.
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