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Originally Posted by Mr K

Your still 'stiffing' everyone and trying to find enemies I see. This is what Brexit was all about, picking a fight because we like that sort of thing. Living in peace and harmony with our neighbours has always irritated us. 'We're better and superior to you' seems to be the argument - we're really not.

Yes - still stiffing; but the same villains as before Brexit.
It's consistency on my part. Most Brexiters want to see those two get got.

As to the rest of your paragraph - it's totally non-sequitur. "Better &* superior" doesn't come into it. It's all about sovereignty and thus not being judged by the ECJ.


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Originally Posted by Damien

It's not a mature way to view international relations or politics. Macron is not the enemy but his interests lie in France and the French economy not ours, so he'll be looking to exploit every advantage he can from the current situation.

In the end what matters is the skill of the negotiators a bit and the cards they have to play the most. It is not up to Macron to help us out. If our hand is so strong then let him talk all he wants because he has no cards to play. If he succeeds in getting an advantage over us then that would only be him having done his job and us failing in ours.

France, Ireland, Germany and the EU. As far as trade goes they're currently on the other side of the table. Once it's all done and dusted then amicability will return and the only people will be upset will be those who seemed to want to leave the EU purely out of spite that other countries exist - and they'll always be unhappy anyway but thankfully they're a very small minority.

Macron is not the enemy but his interests lie in France and the French economy not ours, so he'll be looking to exploit every advantage he can from the current situation. . We know all that. His demands make him stiffable.


In the end what matters is the skill of the negotiators a bit and the cards they have to play the most. It is not up to Macron to help us out. If our hand is so strong then let him talk all he wants because he has no cards to play. If he succeeds in getting an advantage over us then that would only be him having done his job and us failing in ours. What does Macron expect us to do? Cave in? Does he want to sell us his poxy Citroens?
His smelly cheese? His wines that are equalled by the New World?

France, Ireland, Germany and the EU. As far as trade goes they're currently on the other side of the table. Once it's all done and dusted then amicability will return and the only people will be upset will be those who seemed to want to leave the EU purely out of spite that other countries exist - and they'll always be unhappy anyway but thankfully they're a very small minority. They ought to think about what will get them in the right position to trade with us not get up our nose. I hope you're not associating me with what I've highlighted in red. Obviously I want a trade deal with them, but those two perfidious individuals are way high on my shit list.