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Originally Posted by Mr K

Why are you obsessed with sticking/stiffing it to anybody? Or labelling individuals as 'perfidious'. These things are irrelevant, surely getting the best deal as we can for the UK is what we want? It won't be as good a deal as we had, but, hey ho, that argument has gone. Winding the other side up or posturing is unlikely to get a good deal which is mutually beneficial. We need the EU to thrive as most of our trade is with them. This isn't WW3 no matter how much some would love it to be (we'd lose btw, atm its Rest of the World Vs Little England)

I am not obsessed; rather I am accurately describing the people concerned. They are trying to stiff us so it is quite reasonable to wish the same pox on them.

Your other points are reasonable. But if they are telling us they want a level playing field (i.e. we do not develop our skills so that we compete with their labour practices etc) then we need to resist. For you and I to be on opposite sides of that argument is fair enough.