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Originally Posted by nomadking
You were the one that brought the 17th century into it.
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I didn’t say the 17th century was invalid just your narrow point that only sought to deflect mine rather than address it.
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Originally Posted by Chris
Again ... something of a misreading of how things are around here right now. The one thing unionist politicians try very hard at in Scotland is not associating themselves with the Orange Order (or Rangers FC).
The key selling point is, primarily, an end to the divisive negative rhetoric of the nationalists, but also the slowly growing sense that the Nats have never had their eye on the ball as the Scottish government and that a lot of things have been going slowly wrong over an extended period.
The claim that kids are all Nats and it’s pensioners that are keeping Scotland in the union is nonsense that was cooked up while the Yes campaign was getting its excuses ready in the dying days of the campaign in 2014. Polling has never borne this out. Scottish nationalism is driven largely by angry men aged between 30 and 50, a worrying number of whom also believe in chemtrails and black helicopters.
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I think the polling data shows there’s an age gap, although by dying out I did mean the Orange Order and those that see Scottish nationalism (and Celtic’s utter dominance of Scottish football to a lesser degree) as an attack on
their way of life. Those driven by the sinister notion that decision making is being led by the unseen fenian hand.
While none overtly associate with the Orange Order the union flag waving nationalism goes (red?) hand in hand.
The independence question will never be truly settled while unionists fail to offer a compelling alternative to the SNP, or demonstrate that Westminster decision making is anything other than London/south east centric. They aren’t even trying to win over “soft” SNP votes among the 45% who did vote for independence. It’s all a battle for the 50-55% who don’t, and that doesn’t win Scottish elections.