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Originally Posted by ianch99
I am not sure if I am allowed to refute these points but here goes. 
Your first sentence implies these two events are similar and comparable. The first was based on aspiration and misinformation, the second would be be based on fact-based, real world conclusions. Actual solutions in the real world with real, information-based consequences.
Your second point is breathtaking in its contradiction. In the context of a decision that changes 40+ years of macro structural & social policy, the words "politically mature" would never coexist with the term "simple majority on a binary question". Granted, this is the outcome you prefer but please don't try and wrap it up in pretence of legitimacy. |
Would you be happy to have a 2nd referendum, with the exact same question as 2016. Accepting that in the knowledge if Leave won, a "no deal" Brexit would be a legitimate course of action?
There won't be a 2nd referendum, but if there was, any referendum that didn't ask the exact same question would illegitimate, IMO.
If as Labour would want to negotiate a deal, and then campaign against it, in referendum that gave you the choice of Remain or Leave in a deal that would be BRINO in the highest order (because that is all they would get). That's not a real choice to give the people, and hello Brexit party.
Remain or Leave (regardless) is the only real choice you can offer, and then if Leave won that would be the end of it and if Remain won, well the Brexit party potentially becomes the 2nd biggest party in the UK and it carries on.
I think the point Chris was making is, if we don't leave, properly and decisively now. Things will just get worse over time.
The political future could end up being Brexit Party v Libdems.