Thread: UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal
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Old 29-09-2019, 20:01   #742
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Originally Posted by jfman View Post
They’re certainly not making the clarification otherwise. Treason is being used with surrender, it’s symbolism of surrendering in wartime, to Europe, and ties in perfectly with the World War 2 imagery that runs through almost all Eurosceptic propaganda.

Surrender requires an entity to surrender to. The word has no virtually usage outside wartime settings. It’s all nationalist rhetoric and you know it. It ill befits you to pretend otherwise to get a rise out of others on the forum. Especially when you are convinced nothing with stop Boris anyway...
I don't recollect the word treason being used by the PM or any governnment minister, but again, there is more than one meaning to the word. One meaning is 'the action of betraying someone or something'. It is you that has decided that the word should be seen in the context of betraying one's country.

And before you mention 'treachery', that means 'betrayal of trust'.

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Originally Posted by jfman View Post
Let’s be honest though, Brexit was born out of English nationalism, the only difference is Johnson doesn’t even see the point pretending that it didn’t.
Rubbish. Apart from the extremists, most Brexiteers see Brexit as liberating us from stifling EU laws, enabling us to make our own rules, and in particular forging much better trade deals that benefit this country, bringing more money in.

There are also many people at the lower income end who see free movement (which Labour now wants to maintain, apparantly) as driving down wages. Having our own immigration policy will allow us to let in the brightest skilled people from around the world to carry out tasks that need to be done at a higher level than we can provide from our own workforce. We will also bring in people with lower level skills such as nurses and carers where we don't have enough of our own people to fill the gaps.

But what is most exciting about Brexit is the opportunity that exists to trade with whomever we please on terms that suit us. The free tax ports announced by the PM are just the start of that transformation.

If that is what you mean by nationalism, fine. But it has nothing to do with unlawful discrimination, which is what you seem to be implying.
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