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Originally Posted by Mick

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Yes, it would be boring if we all agreed with each other but I won't have you having a go at others and accuse them of lying when you also keep posting misinformation or saying something as fact, when it is not a fact at all.

Lying: Some of the Remainers here have accused the leading Brexiters of lying during the Referendum campaign and thus claim the Referendum to be invalidated as to what we know now.

These Remainers usually cite as liars, Fox and Davis as saying how easy it would be to do a trade deal as against what we know now. Well, however naïve Fox and Davis might have been, it was not lying; it was optimism that might well have played out nicely had May negotiated on the presumption of no-deal.

"Ah...", the Remainers say, "... the Leavers now know that what Fox and Davis said was untrue, a lie and thus a new Referendum is required". But Leavers had access to every commentator and Varoufakis was widely published (and on TV) right at the outset telling us all how the EU would behave.

If there is to be a referendum, then May's deal or no-deal are the only democratic options for reasons of grounds already covered ion this thread.