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**Chris** · 03-05-2019, 11:12

An economy built on coal and sheep, but nobody wants the coal any more.

Welsh nationalism is absurd. It is blind hatred of England rooted in the medieval dynastic struggles of the 13th and 14th centuries (which Wales lost, while Scotland held its own).

Scotland today can make an economic and political case for leaving the UK, even though that case is very difficult. Wales simply can’t. The Plaidos’ plan, such as it is, is to throw Wales as a supplicant at the EU’s feet and have Germany pay for everything via the regional development fund.

Scotland today is a distinct legal entity with a body of law deliberately preserved by the Acts of Union 1707 - Acts plural, as they were passed by the English and Scottish parliaments separately following a treaty between the two. The result of those Acts was the permanent dissolution of both the English and Scottish Parliaments and the creation of a new British one, which continued to legislate separately for Scottish and English matters. Wales, on the other hand, had been annexed by the process of warring noble houses that was commonplace in Europe at the time. The Prince of Wales had been defeated and his crown became a gift of the English monarch ... to this day, a gift normally conferred on the monarch’s heir. The annexation of Wales as part of England was completed by Acts of the English Parliament in the mid 16th century. These extended English law to Wales. This is why Ireland, Scotland and England are represented in the union flag but Wales is not. It is there indirectly, because the Welsh crown is the English crown. Distasteful to some Welsh people I know, but that’s been the legal reality for the best part of 500 years.

The upshot of this is, there is still a union between distinct legal entities within Great Britain, namely England and Scotland, which make it at least possible to discuss how they might be separated. Despite the existence of the Welsh assembly, and its very limited ability to pass primary legislation, there is not a distinct legal entity called Wales that can be identified and whose separation from England could easily be planned. It is an entirely different proposition.

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Chris Trollsplatter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: North of Watford Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests Posts: 38,229	Re: Will Wales leave the UK? Will it be reduced in size if it does? An economy built on coal and sheep, but nobody wants the coal any more. Welsh nationalism is absurd. It is blind hatred of England rooted in the medieval dynastic struggles of the 13th and 14th centuries (which Wales lost, while Scotland held its own). Scotland today can make an economic and political case for leaving the UK, even though that case is very difficult. Wales simply can’t. The Plaidos’ plan, such as it is, is to throw Wales as a supplicant at the EU’s feet and have Germany pay for everything via the regional development fund. Scotland today is a distinct legal entity with a body of law deliberately preserved by the Acts of Union 1707 - Acts plural, as they were passed by the English and Scottish parliaments separately following a treaty between the two. The result of those Acts was the permanent dissolution of both the English and Scottish Parliaments and the creation of a new British one, which continued to legislate separately for Scottish and English matters. Wales, on the other hand, had been annexed by the process of warring noble houses that was commonplace in Europe at the time. The Prince of Wales had been defeated and his crown became a gift of the English monarch ... to this day, a gift normally conferred on the monarch’s heir. The annexation of Wales as part of England was completed by Acts of the English Parliament in the mid 16th century. These extended English law to Wales. This is why Ireland, Scotland and England are represented in the union flag but Wales is not. It is there indirectly, because the Welsh crown is the English crown. Distasteful to some Welsh people I know, but that’s been the legal reality for the best part of 500 years. The upshot of this is, there is still a union between distinct legal entities within Great Britain, namely England and Scotland, which make it at least possible to discuss how they might be separated. Despite the existence of the Welsh assembly, and its very limited ability to pass primary legislation, there is not a distinct legal entity called Wales that can be identified and whose separation from England could easily be planned. It is an entirely different proposition. Last edited by Chris; 03-05-2019 at 11:18.