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Originally Posted by denphone
Looking at that there is plummeting support for the Conservatives which is not surprising given the omnishambles we have witnessed and rising support for the Brexit party while Labour have lost some support to the Brexit party but not as much as the Conservatives have.
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Yes, well it wouldn't have been an omnishambles had Labour honoured its manifesto commitment and voted either for the deal or 'no deal'. Instead, they've just played games and tried to trip up the government at every turn.
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Where did I say that, this them and us irrationality is clouding your actual vision now as well as your judgement, what I actually said is none of the liars should get away with it and all should be held to account regardless of whose side they're on, basically for the hard of thinking two wrongs don't make a right
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I know, it is not appropriate that either side should tell bare faced lies, but my earlier post was added to counter Hugh's list of 'leavers' lies' and your comment that I am not interested in balance. Yet that is exactly what I was attempting to do!
But time and time again, remainers say that Brexiteers did not know what they were voting for, and every time they retort 'But we DID know what we were voting for!'. The confusion really does seem to be predominently on the remainer side, and given that they voted remain anyway, the lies that are being complained about had no practical effect other than making the remainers even more entrenched in their views. Whereas, in the main, Brexiteers are completely unmoved.
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Originally Posted by jfman
Old Boy and his “unbiased” Brexit Central link.
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And because it is a link from Brexit Central, it is automatically discredited. Maybe you should actually concentrate and respond to the information contained therein!
But of course, you can't, can you?
Just to repeat, my post was to draw attention to the lies told by the remainers to counter Hugh's list of lies told by the brexiteers.
Touche.
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Originally Posted by denphone
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Although the poll draws attention to the disillusionment of Conservative voters due to Brexit not having been achieved on time, it should not be forgotten that the Brexit Party will also have a severe impact on Labour. The Brexit debate has split both major parties to such a degree that they need to agree between them a way of delivering a proper Brexit without further delay. Time for Corbyn to show some guts and recognise reality. Insisting on the Customs Union will not cut the mustard because it takes away our ability to have our own trade policy on goods and services, which is the only way we can prosper when we leave.
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Originally Posted by Angua
People tend to forget the amount of influence the leaders of the 28 nations have when it comes to EU direction of travel.
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It's the EU bureaucracy that put forward the legislation to be voted on, not the member states or MEPs. That is not true democracy, I'm sorry to tell you.
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
I think it's all about the pressure a strong vote for the Brexit Party in the Euros will apply to the current Government.
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When Corbyn finally realises the support for the Brexit Party is also coming from many of his own supporters, he will suddenly realise that a second referendum is superfluous.