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Old 07-04-2019, 20:05   #1322
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by jfman View Post

We will do whatever anyone negotiating with us (that has the upper hand) tells us to. USA, China, Japan, Germany, India, France. You know, all the big players. That’s why it’s called capitalism. He who pays the piper cells the tune.
Except that we are a big player, too.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 View Post
This analysis of the Leave campaign raises a very disturbing point (start at 02:50 if you want to fast track to this):

Who pulls the strings behind Brexit?

The thing that made this campaign different was the Dark Advertising funded by Dark Money: where ads, funded by money of unknown provenance, were only seen by the sender (obviously), the social media platform (Facebook) and the targeted recipient.

The principles of an open democratic campaign totally subverted .. I know that members on this forum who believe in Democracy would wholeheartedly condemn this.
You are conflating the situation. Your comment assumes that people take notice of the stuff they read on social media and what they see in advertisements.

I, for one, take no notice at all. People have their opinions on things and advertisements are highly unlikely to sway most individuals.

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Originally Posted by jfman View Post
Baby steps works because it removes the cliff edge which is at present galvanising the opponents of Brexit. Get a deal and end freedom of movement now.

A future Government will be better placed to renegotiate trade agreements than this one which is tied to the whims of the ERG/DUP.

The backstop is why we need a proper customs union with exit rights. Move the Northen Ireland problem to when we have a Government that’s not relying on NI votes.
Again, you cannot have a customs union AND negotiate trade deals. If we cannot do trade deals, it is not Brexit, and not what the majority voted for.

Whether there is scope to agree with Labour a trading arrangement which still allows us to have an independent trade policy remains to be seen.
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