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Originally Posted by denphone

Yes Brexit is a highly divisive and emotive topic of that there is no doubt but being civil is very easy at the end of the day as its a bit like disagreements in ones family as family members might disagree on a good many things in life but generally always remain civil to each other despite their disagreements.

One person’s “not civil” is another person’s assertiveness. I would regard non-civility as being nearer to “you are talking bollocks” - while though true in some cases where used.



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Originally Posted by jfman

Yes they are. A customs union and single market alignment are exactly the kind of discussions around making Brexit work that you describe.

I don’t see how what you say would make Brexit work. We would be better off remaining and peeing on them inside the tent than being peed on as rule takers from outside the tent. The export maths doesn’t stack up.

Brexit works if we make a clean break.


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Originally Posted by jfman

Indeed.

Those in favour are missing a trick though. It’s Brexit without the risk. The conversation moves on and we have left the EU legally. Remaining is no longer in the conversation.

A customs union could apply to goods (which is ideal really) but not services. This would allow the UK to strike deals with the rest of the world on the supply of services.

If, down the line, we wanted to renegotiate or leave a customs union we could. Freedom of movement would have long since been dead. It becomes a conversation about trade only. We can all agree we want more trade that benefits us?

Remainers are fighting for the “whole package”. Eliminate some of it and reduce it to a trade discussion in five years time and far fewer numbers will be interested in the debate at all.

But what about the backstop that Brussels would insist upon? We can’t allow ourselves to be perpetually locked in, at Macron’s mercy for fishing in our waters against release from the backstop.