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Originally Posted by jonbxx
Ahhh, be nice 
I think most of us here are reasonably well informed on the structures of the EU and out Government. The disagreement comes on what that actually means.
The EU way of doing things is different from the UK as the executive and legislative are separate organisations. To an extent, the EU system is like the US system with the President setting policy and the houses voting on those policies.
So yes, the system is different. Is it wrong, no. Is it perfect, no. Is it better or worse than the UK system? That's where we disagree. In my view, it's not better or worse, just different.
Of course, when the executive and legislative disagree, that's when the fun begins - see where we are now in the UK and recent shutdown in the US. Looking through Votewatch Europe, the Parliament seems to vote against proposals roughly 10-15% of the time suggesting a reasonably good alignment between the Commission and Parliament but that isn't too much of a surprise as the makup of the commissioners is roughly the same as the makeup of the Parliament in terms of party affiliation (interestingly, the UK Commissioner is non-aligned)
Contrast this with the UK Government losing a vote on proposed legislation. Then, all hell breaks loose! |
Nothing to do with the structure of EU governance.
Nothing happens without the say so of Germany and France. Just look at how many meeting just the two of them have. I wonder how many of the EU directives and regulations
haven't first been implemented or proposed in Germany and France? How many have they been forced to accept against their will? The
declared aim is to have a "level playing field", which means that every EU country has to be hampered by the same rules as Germany and France. Is Romania, for example, ever going to be able to match Germany? Of course not. No amount of money is going to enable that. Yet that is what the EU is supposedly attempting to do.
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Originally Posted by jfman
I don’t think you can reasonably say all of those in favour of a delay want to prevent Brexit. We aren’t prepared, and were never prepared for March 29, for a no deal scenario. It’s reasonable for anyone to suggest an extension on that basis (remainer or leave side).
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If that is the case, then there is absolutely no reason for further discussions of any sort with anybody. The ONGOING and seemingly never-ending discussions are only aimed at CHANGING the "destination" from "Leave". NONE of the discussions are aimed at "what do we need to do to make Brexit work".