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Originally Posted by jonbxx

To call someone who someone deluded just because they don't agree with you is a somewhat absolutist position.

So cultural differences negate the fact that the representatives that were elected by the population and is therefore undemocratic? What level of cultural, political of historical granularity is democratic? Is, for example, Belgium as a nation democratic when there are clear historical and cultural differences between Wallonia and Flanders? How about Germany that was federalised in 1871? How about the UK in 1707? in Does devolution in the UK make this country more or less democratic? SEPH: I'm sorry - but that's a load of waffle. The EU Parliament self selects its political groups into voting pacts that we did not vote for. The EU Parliament is a democratic sham.

On ganging up, does the party political system in any governmental system result in the same thing? Do we vote for a representative or a party? If we vote for a party, then 'ganging up' occurs in any system.

In terms of the council, the heads of state are democratically and directly elected in France, Poland, Austria, Ireland, Finland, Portugal, Czech Republic, Romania, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovania, Lithuania and Cyprus. The heads of state for Germany and Italy are voted by their relevant Parliaments. It's a pretty good sample to be fair. To say the Council is undemocratic because of how nations appoint their heads of state states that systems where the head of state is appointed are equally undemocratic and this would include the UK
SEPH:You seem deliberately to have missed my point. I have no quarrel that there is a deciding Council that comprises the 28 heads of government. The appointment to the EU Council is automatic. Read what I said - as for the Council, there is nothing democratic (nor undemocratic) about it. The members are the political leaders of the 28 countries. These are appointments to the Council, not elected to the Council; I did not say it was undemocratic.

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