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Originally Posted by Mick

No I am not wrong. I stand by what I say. The EU Referendum was the largest Democratic Mandate this country has ever seen. You work in % all you like, the actual physical numbers speak otherwise and they disagree with you.



I am not re-spinning anything, a fact is a fact, the number of voters beat the tally in 1975 for staying in the ECC, so it is the biggest mandate, the ECC, as it was known as in 1975, it certainly was not the EU as it as known as today, it is vastly different, exceedingly more corrupt and power hungry and becoming a heavy dictatorship entity.



Nope again, I am not incorrect. I think we should just agree to disagree.

You look up when the EU as it is known as was formed, you will see 1992, 1993, when the Maastricht Treaty was signed, is when the EU became to be.

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I never said I was, I was asking a rhetorical question, you was or seemed to be being quite insulting with your post earlier on describing your illogical reasons why folk voted to leave, however, it was harmless material, quite weak, seen before.

But let me make this abundantly clear. As much as we fundamentally disagree with each other on this issue. You're safe. I don't ban people willy nilly or because I simply don't agree with them, hell, this forum would be a dull place if we all agreed with each other.

If this was my M.O, you and others would have been long gone by now. In reality, I've banned just two people outright in the last couple of years and only because they were really really abusive to me personally, swearing and using derogatory language. Noone should tolerate this, I don't think you would, in my position. As one of the owners, this forum, this virtual place, partly belongs to me, so I am not going to stand there and take any disrespectful shit from anybody and it would be the only reason, and cross my grounds checklist to ban somebody, so, like I said, you're safe.

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The whole process of delivering the Brexit I voted for, I have absolutely no confidence in this current government to deliver it, hell, we got a Prime Minister, former Home Secretary, in direct conflict with the Met Chief over the reduction in Police officers, with the PM saying the increase in knife crime is not linked to reduction of officers and the Met Chief today saying there is a link with the reduction in officers and the increase in deaths from stabbings and knife crime. I think May needs to go. She has made a right mess of everything she's had her hands on or in.

Again we're in agreement to a degree. (this is starting to get disconcerting) May has made an absolute mess of much of her premiership. But the mess she has made around Brexit is hers to own, it's not due to parliament trying to subvert democracy or remainers trying to force a new referendum it's because of her incompetence.

The question now begs do we want to try and hold, take stock, perhaps delay whilst we attempt to recover from the damage that Mays incompetence has led us too, Or, is being out that important that we're willing to potentially risk the country and peoples future livelihoods.

There will be some of us on this board for whom regardless of the option that we take that may be able to support themselves and ensure they ride out all but the worst case scenarios. In the wider population i have my doubts that people can do the same.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I wouldn't bet money on that if I were you, although that date could potentially slip by a few weeks to permit implementation.

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David Cameron tried that, and look where it got him. Had he won the crumbs he was seeking to achieve, the referendum would never have happened. The EU is totally inflexible, and in your heart, you know that.

Macron is only saying now that something has to change, but that's all thanks to Brexit.

I don't see Brexit as distancing ourselves from other nations. On the contrary, we want to forge new trade deals with the rest of the world, including with the EU.

Thats why i said continue to try regardless of how frustrating it is, we should not simply give in because something gets too hard.

We're distancing ourselves because we're going to limit in certain circumstances the workforce that we need (see earlier posts regarding fruit picking/migration) for just one example.

And it's not just about how we view Brexit and our leaving of the EU it's how the rest of the world views it. With a couple of exceptions it's almost entirely viewed as a bad move on our part. (I'd also wager that the countries who are pro us leaving have ulterior motives and are licking their lips)