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Originally Posted by ianch99
You are still wrong I am afraid. The definition of a democratic mandate is not the absolute number that voted but rather the percentage of the available electorate that voted for the motion. The UK has a larger population than in 1975 so the electorate is larger in numeric terms.
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No I am not wrong. I stand by what I say. The EU Referendum was the largest Democratic Mandate this country has ever seen. You work in % all you like, the actual physical numbers speak otherwise and they disagree with you.
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Your approach to this issue, like others, mirrors the Leave campaign and all that led up to it. Take a fact and re-spin it into an alternative "fact" and then shout it from the rooftops, endlessly, as the "truth" until enough people start thinking it really is the truth.
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I am not re-spinning anything, a fact is a fact, the number of voters beat the tally in 1975 for staying in the ECC, so it is the biggest mandate, the ECC, as it was known as in 1975, it certainly was not the EU as it as known as today, it is vastly different, exceedingly more corrupt and power hungry and becoming a heavy dictatorship entity.
Nope again, I am not incorrect. I think we should just agree to disagree.
You look up when the EU as it is known as was formed, you will see 1992, 1993, when the Maastricht Treaty was signed, is when the EU became to be.
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The European Union is a political and economic union of 28 member states that are located primarily in Europe. It has an area of 4,475,757 kmē and an estimated population of about 513 million. Wikipedia
Founded: 1 November 1993, Maastricht, Netherlands
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I never said I was, I was asking a rhetorical question, you was or seemed to be being quite insulting with your post earlier on describing your illogical reasons why folk voted to leave, however, it was harmless material, quite weak, seen before.
But let me make this abundantly clear. As much as we fundamentally disagree with each other on this issue. You're safe. I don't ban people willy nilly or because I simply don't agree with them, hell, this forum would be a dull place if we all agreed with each other.
If this was my M.O, you and others would have been long gone by now. In reality, I've banned just two people outright in the last couple of years and only because they were
really really abusive to me personally, swearing and using derogatory language. Noone should tolerate this, I don't think you would, in my position. As one of the owners, this forum, this virtual place, partly belongs to me, so I am not going to stand there and take any disrespectful shit from anybody and it would be the only reason, and cross my grounds checklist to ban somebody, so, like I said, you're safe.
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
I don't disagree that the EU is not without it's significant faults, but, i also believe that to be the case in any government globally including our own.
In my opinion i believe that we should continue to try and change that from within. however hard and frustrating that may be. In a world whereby globalization rightly or wrongly becomes closer and closer every day to me distancing ourselves from other nations in any degree seems odd
As i said earlier negotiating from a perspective of 66 million as opposed to part of a bloc of 500 million places us at a significant risk of being used and abused.
If/when we do leave the EU I'd love nothing more than to see than you/Old Boy and other people who want to leave being right. that we will survive and prosper. Unfortunately I haven't seen one shred of evidence that supports this yet. I think we'll see those in society already suffering hit further again.
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The whole process of delivering the Brexit I voted for, I have absolutely no confidence in this current government to deliver it, hell, we got a Prime Minister, former Home Secretary, in direct conflict with the Met Chief over the reduction in Police officers, with the PM saying the increase in knife crime is not linked to reduction of officers and the Met Chief today saying there is a link with the reduction in officers and the increase in deaths from stabbings and knife crime. I think May needs to go. She has made a right mess of everything she's had her hands on or in.