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Old 04-03-2019, 18:47   #8091
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by jfman View Post
It’s hardly pure arrogance to say the full consequences of leave weren’t fully quantified. Otherwise we would not have had discussions on Norway model, Canada (and various pluses), EFTA and ultimately WTO terms.

For some people they didn’t consider the consequences beyond reducing immigration and the mythical £350m a week. Which is exactly why we are in the shambles we are in.

One clear agreed vision of Brexit would have been settled 18 months ago.
As a leaver, I have not heard anything since I voted that I did not appreciate and I'm sure that most have the same view. Remainers, however, may have had a different experience. I cannot speak for them.

Much is made of the ridiculous allegation that people failed to appreciate that leaving the EU meant leaving the Customs Union. It may be true that some did not know what the customs union was, even though this was mentioned in the literature, but they would all have appreciated that we would be leaving the common market, which is essentially the same thing. Once again, people are trying to confuse the issue.

You say the full consequences of leave were not fully quantified. Well, what exactly did you think would change the minds of those voting leave? The Norway model won't work for us because that would mean we would be rule takers without having any say. Why would we wish to have a different arrangement such as EFTA if it worsened the situation, allowed the continuation of free movement, etc? Canada +++ is what we want from the trade deal, that has never been in dispute.

I'd really like to know what it is in your delusion that makes you believe that leavers did not know what they voted for. Would you care to tell us what, in your wisdom, we do not understand?

We, the leavers, had a very clear vision when we voted leave. Any lack of clarity has been promulgated by remainers. You are all confusing things so much, I don't think you have any clear vision of what you do want. The EU will only hold us back. We need to forge better links with the rest of the world and remove ourselves from the undemocratic Eurocracy.
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