[Sephiroth]

@vincerooney - Of course there's hostility here. You are not really the voice of reason that you try to put across. We're well past the stage of debate in this thread. It's all boiled down now to arguments about what constitutes democracy.

The argument is between those who require the Referendum result to be fulfilled and those, like yourself, you will make any argument, roll out any reason, why there should be a second referendum. The usual reason (often hidden in argument about what is and what is not a democratic approach) is to obtain the best chance for Brexit to be overturned. The ballot paper said what it did and the voters said LEAVE. Nothing could be simpler.

Your description of the collision of views as "ironic" is unreasonable. The Referendum must be delivered. Had the result gone the other way, there would have been no question about a second referendum. So this bid of yours, in the name of democracy, is one sided and flawed.

Nothing has changed in the past two years, except perhaps new EU laws (like the lowering of the VAT threshold under EU directive). It's just that awareness of it all has been heightened. Germany remains boss; France remains a nasty blackmailer (Macron/Fisheries/Backstop); Ireland has proved to be a perfidious neighbour, demanding a Backstop on pretence that it protects the GFA whereas in reality it is to protect their economic interests (plus Varadkar has now said he won't actually put up a border). You want to be a part of that lot, do you?

All that said, a referendum that does not include "No Brexit" can be considered as reasonable; or put another way, I'd not grumble too much though I'm very happy for a clean break from that awful EU.