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Originally Posted by Hugh

That’s your opinion, not a fact.

Macron: (loosely quoted): "Ze ink is not yet drry on ze wizdrawal agreement; mais May should be in non doubt zat ze Beckstop will be perrmanant unless ve rretain nos fishing rights in UK vaterrs". = ENEMY.

VARADKAR: (reading between the lines): "Oive got a brilliant oidea. Let's use de Backstop to protect our economy, keep the perfidious UK in the Customs Union, wreck Brexit and bring unification close" = ENEMY.

Author's licence on my part maybe, but that's pretty much what happened and if you are in denial on this and you are defended by the other Remainers in this thread then your disconnect with reality is deplorable.





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Originally Posted by ianch99

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This is a totally useless avenue of discussion. We need to be considering how to move forward from here.

Labour are playing high stake political games; the Lib Dems are hoping to get into coalition with Labour; the DUP are afraid of Labour; the Tories missed their road to Damascus (as in they didn't see the light).

The situation is impossible to resolve in Parliament unless the Tory Remain rebels have a Damascus moment, which they won't.

A 2nd Referendum is a logical step provided that the question is right (i.e. Deal or No Deal). It would be traitorious to reverse the 2016 Referendum and it is not an honourable political option given the history of repeated referenda in other countries till the EU got the answer it wanted.

May goes to the EU today. Let's say she gets some concession from the EU - I'd eat my hat if it was what we need, which is a unilateral or dated exit point from the Backstop. What will then happen in Parliament?

Clusterfluff doesn't cover it.