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Originally Posted by jfman

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...-britain-voted

I shouldn’t have quoted a post that said “only” but it’s definitely skewed.

Protestors are upset at many things their own government is accountable for but will blame the EU.

That analysis of the stats can be all things to all men. For example, the selection of age groups; 25-49 is arbitrary. Yet it can significantly sway a reader’s impREssion. Just because car insurer’s penalise under-25s doesn’t put a 25 year old anywhere near the wisdom level of a 49 year old. I would like to see those stats banded by specific age so that a maturity trend can be sensibly deduced.

The way they are presented by YouGov puts older people into a bracket that is derided by younger people without definable reason.

That aside, I was in the 24-49 band when we joined the EEC and very pleased I was on that day. By the age of 49, it had become the EU and had morphed from a free trade association into the awful machine that has shown its true despicable colours since the Brexit Referendum.

Also during that time, Germany has played the creation of the Euro to its advantage so that they now have an illegal 8% GDP surplus and are too powerful (hegemonic) to be challenged by Brussels. As a result, that 8% surplus is paid for by the deficits in the rest of the Eurozone. It’s no coincidence that Germany and the UK are the largest net contributors to the EU budget - we have an independent currency and Germany owns the Euro.

As to immigration, I’m not stupid and I approve of free-movement of labour from the EU. I’m not against the Norway model either, provided that we are not in the CU. If we leave the CU, we have to adjust to the new situation and after trade deals have been arranged, including cheaper food, that will become the norm.

I’ll go and spoil it all now by saying that there are scores to settle with the perfidious Varadkar and that running dog Macron. I want to see them squirm as France loses access to our fishing waters other than on our terms. I want to see Varadkar squirm as Brussels orders him to establish customs posts and close the little roads; I’d like to see Brussels squirm as they alternatively break their own laws by not ordering that perfidious Varadkar to erect customs posts. I’d like to see New Zealand butter replace French and Irish butter (but I must have Lurpak unsalted or equivalent!).

As to a second referendum, it is as democratic to deliver the first Referendum result as it would be to hold a 2nd referendum. No referendum can be called undemocratic. But there are logical inconsistencies here. The first Referendum was binding; a second referendum can thus only be advisory. If a 2nd referendum occurs and the result is Remain, there is some negotiation to be done to get the EU to deliver on one part of the Cameron deal; namely no ever closer union and no Euro.

I’m tRying to show some realism here and would far prefer to leave the EU on a no deal basis given current circumstances.

I am ashamed of our politicians; they had a duty to deliver the Referendum and not try and defeat it, that being the height of using democracy to usurp democracy. The public are also ashamed of the politicians and where we go from here in parliamentary and party terms is anyone’s guess.

What a shambles. There is no god or he is Franco/Irish!