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Originally Posted by jfman

So whether wages are low or not is irrelevant? So EU nationals “driving down wages” also drives down prices? I’m not sure how that supports the anti-immigrant agenda. [SEPH]: Your response is given in the sense that I oppose immigration from the EU. I've said consistently that I do not. But now you've introduced wage depression from immigrant labour. You can't have it both ways when you're espousing higher minimum wage in your earlier post.

As for Macron the whole point of trade deals is compromise, whether with the EU, USA or Commonwealth countries they are all going to want something in return. [SEPH]: Oh please. We know all that. We should just wave two fingers at Macron like we should have done 2 years ago. It's enough and to hell with him and his ilk.


The USA want to sell us chlorinated chicken, the French want fishing rights, we want “frictionless trade” without freedom of movement. I don’t think any of this is hugely surprising or necessarily needs to evoke the adjectives used for the EU when if the shoe was on the other foot, or we had anything meaningful to trade with the EU, we would use that as leverage. [SEPH]: You base your argument on a meaningless scenario (highlighted). The point is that the EU are laughing up our asses because May didn't stand up to them 2 years ago (having been warned by Varoufakis) and show clearly that we were planning for no deal. She has a lot to answer for.