[jfman]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Listen to yourself. The vote was made to leave not leave the door half open.

You talk of democracy if this were true the wishes of those asking to leave the EU would be carried out and preperations for leaving would have been made WTO as an example.

The PM has tried to carry out the wishes for the whole country by getting a deal for both sides and making a complete crock of it.

If the vote had gone the otherway and was this close do you think anything would have changed? it wouldn't have and those 17m people would have just been silenced and life carry on.

All you have done is point out that no preperation for leaving is that anything beyond a vote to leave is all "leave" was going to get the rest from that point on is to appease the remain side with a remain sided PM.

The vote was made to leave but it's impossible to implement in the timescales we have worked within.

It doesn't matter what would have happened if remain had won the first referendum - that's a hypothetical scenario.

In this real scenario we have no deal, a bad deal or remain. As the clock ticks down if the May deal fails this Parliament will not vote to leave the EU on no deal terms without either a) a second referendum and/or b) a General Election.

Anyone pretending there will not be a push for this is ignoring reality. With Rudd back on board this is a May cabinet. May has no skin left in the electoral game - she is toast anyway. She is the exact person the country needs to stop Brexit and that's why there's a clamour from the ERG to get her removed as soon as possible.

The ERG supports no deal anyway - it could oppose the May deal from the back benches if it genuinely believed there were only two options on the table. However, there are three.

I'm not actually a passionate remainer, I did vote to remain but could have easily voted the other way. I stand to benefit financially from the economic turmoil of leaving the EU with as much chaos as possible, the sector I work in will not feel the same effects of a recession and it'd open up investment opportunities. I'm just pointing out what's happening at Westminster level here.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

If by a miracle the losers, sorry Mod Edit get they way after crying so mush, and we remian the the corrupt EU.

I will never vote again as I can just start crying ang throw my toys out of the pram and demand another vote until I get my why.

I will go to vote but write on my ballot paper "WHY BOTHER, AS BREXIT MEANT BREXIT"

With a few choice words I cannot print here.

Ironically that's entirely neutral how you choose to waste your energy is irrelevant to the Government. If you choose to abstain in future elections then that's probably an adequate outcome for your sitting MP.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Why pain? I quite like the choice between TM's deal and a no deal. That'll separate the men from the boys in the House of Commons! Whoops, sorry, ladies.

People aren't replying so passionately because I'm wrong.

If anyone genuinely believed I was wrong they'd just ignore me and leave me over here howling at the moon.

However the clock ticks on and there's three options on the table, not two.