Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY
He is a former Prime Minister of Australia, and he seems to be making perfect sense. What is there in that article with which you disagree, and why?
Contrary to what you seem to believe, the world does not revolve around the EU.
I understand that you are a remainer, and that's fair enough. But to accuse people of being delusional when they post a factual piece like this tends to make me think that it is your mind that is closed to any information you receive that doesn't fit your preference.
I continue to listen to both sides of the argument but I have yet to hear a convincing argument that tells me that staying in is better than leaving. Maintaining frictionless trade is the most convincing of the remainer arguments, which is why I would prefer a deal, but Tony Abbott's article shows that a 'no deal' is not the end of the world, by any means!
|
It's an
opinion piece from a politician who hasn't held office in this country or within the European Union.
I have already pointed out areas of concern about that piece. Maintaining EU standards means we adhere to their rules, on their terms and affects our ability to negotiate trade deals with other countries.
Not imposing any borders or customs checks, in the absence of a free trade agreement with the EU is an absolute fantasy. WTO rules will simply not allow unrestricted movement of goods across the UK/EU borders, and pretending the Ireland issue doesn't exist will not make that the case.
I doubt you will ever hear a convincing argument, I'd be more likely to resurrect Ian Paisley Snr and convert him to Roman Catholicism such is the extent you are entrenched in your views - and that's fine.
The fact is that remaining within the European Union is coming back into the public discourse and this isn't by chance. Once the Theresa May deal gets voted down we will extend, delay, renegotiate and ultimately remain within the EU because nobody has made adequate contingencies for crashing out on WTO terms in March 2019.
---------- Post added at 13:51 ---------- Previous post was at 13:49 ----------
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick
And they are wasting their time, especially with me.
EU is totally corrupt and being a member paying extortionate amount of money to be so, is a total con job and nothing nobody says on here will change my view ever!!!
|
I'm not actually trying to convince anyone that the EU are right or "where they are coming from". I'm spelling out the cold hard reality that there's no plan for Brexit and no appetite for the politicians to go through with it in the absence of one.
Yes, someone will tell me that 17.4 million people will be pissed off with that and equally something in the region of 16.8 million will be happy with it, and a further 30 million or so people just getting on with their lives probably glad to hear the end of it.