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Originally Posted by jfman

I know this isn’t a trade deal. That’s exactly my point.

My point is this half way house allows the EU to permanently leave us in limbo by not agreeing a future trade deal with solutions to the UK partition of the island of Ireland problem. [SEPH]: Yes.

You have said a trade deal should give people what they wanted, and it may be possible to solve the underlying issues. It may not, and it’ll entirely be at the discretion of Brussels if it does. [SEPH]: Yes.


I’d hope before sacrificing a chunk of GDP that a Government would consider the likelihood of both. [SEPH]: Yes - but our guvmin isn't good enough and Labour would be worse.


Democracy isn’t damaged if you give people a second vote. It’s reinforced. We elect Governments every five years to go back to the country with more information about leaving the EU is entirely democratic. [SEPH]: I don't mind a second referendum although I prefer not. If you've read my previous posts, I'd like to leave this nasty EU run for the benefit of Germany and France. On the other hand if we remain, it'll be fun sticking it to them as we can do from outside the Euro tent and outside the 'ever-closer-union' chains.



I understand people will be upset when their dream of leaving sinks for good. An almost equal number will have been upset if we left. That’s unavoidable anyway.

That’s why in the coming weeks and months the PR on the road to remain is carefully being managed. There has to be a growing acceptance that there is no favourable deal, and it’ll cost £39bn to implement it.