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Originally Posted by jonbxx

I picked the ECHR as this is a good example of where nations cede sovereignty through international agreements outside of the EU. We have agreed for example to not allow trade in endangered species (CITES), not develop chemical weapons (CWC) or endanger the ozone layer (Montreal Protocol) Not mentioning the other points does not imply agreement with your points but I understand you position on the EU even though we disagree.

I guess from the link you posted, you were talking about the case of Abu Qatada whose extradition was blocked on the grounds of Article 3 (torture) and Article 6 (fair trial) He was subsequently deported to Jordan after Jordan signed an agreement to not use evidence gained through torture against him.

There is an inherent nature of human rights agreements such as ECHR or the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights that they apply to all humans by their very nature without prejudice. To state human rights apply to some but not others suggest that some are human and not others.

It's really very simple. A foreign, non-Eu student, comes to the UK on a student's visa and overstays. He (in this case) overstays his visa and the authorities seek to deport him as UK law allows.

Along comes the appeal to the ECHR who allows his appeal on the basis that he had entered into a meaningful personal relationship and his rights under the Convention thus trumped our immigration laws.

We are a civilised country and our own Human Rights act, stripped of reference to the ECHR will do nicely.

The ECHR allows cynical exploitation of illegal immigration, whether student or criminal.