[ianch99]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

[/B]
What's wrong with it is that it would be pointless. Do you really believe that the EU is going to assist us in contemplating a range of options? The deal will be the deal, take it or leave it.

---------- Post added at 12:41 ---------- Previous post was at 12:38 ----------



I think it is pretty obvious that the poll was out to make a political point here. What is the point in asking the public for figures on anything? They are bound to get it wrong.

Ask Diane Abbott, she knows!

---------- Post added at 12:43 ---------- Previous post was at 12:41 ----------



I wasn't actually criticising you at all, Den. I was criticising the pollsters, who were either trying to make a political point or they were incredibly naive.

Let's be honest here: the poll did not have the answer you like so it is "Fake News". As Angua mentioned, no amount of information, evidence, etc. will change the minds of those that are closed.

---------- Post added at 13:07 ---------- Previous post was at 12:50 ----------

A sobering perspective on Brexit from abroad:

A self-destructive madness grips the U.K. as a no-deal Brexit looms

Real stuff is now happening that might wake up the fantasists. While Ms. May and the EU leaders engaged in nervous chit-chat in Brussels, the French government published legislation to cope with a “no-deal” Brexit. The draft law, which would be rushed through the French legislature as a presidential edict, states that the British will be “third country citizens” who would require a visa to enter France and a residency permit to remain in France. The draft bill deals with controls on goods and people at the border as well as veterinary and phytosanitary controls for animals and plants.

Meanwhile, the news gets worse: U.K. GDP growth now significantly lags that of the EU, industrial production and investment has fallen sharply, the property market sags and flagship firms, such as Jaguar Land Rover, plan to shift production to Europe. With glorious cynicism, The Daily Telegraph, a strongly Brexit-supporting newspaper, suggests that private investors can profit from the sharp fall in sterling caused by a no-deal Brexit by investing in foreign, dollar-based funds.

For the people who dreamed up Brexit, its patriotism was always a lie, an appeal to a national myth of struggle and victory – Churchill’s “sunlit uplands,” the defeat of the Spanish Armada, the Empire. What they wanted was a low-tax, offshore Singapore, conveniently ignoring the real British economy.

What we are witnessing may be a nation, not just going into economic recession but a regression into political or cultural infantilism. The centre ground of politics has completely disappeared; the mad, the bad and the fools are now in charge.