[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Stuart

First, it actually isn't undemocratic. We don't directly vote for it, but then we don't directly vote for anyone in the cabinet. In the case of our government, it's picked by the party with the greatest number of seats. In the case of the EU, the decisions are made by a group that is not directly elected, but then implemented by the (in theory) elected governments of each member. So, the people who are telling you that the EU is bad because of all these awful restrictions we have are the ones choosing to implement those restrictions. [SEPH]: That is an upside down, inside out, poorly thought through argument. All of the UK government are elected MPs and accountable to their electors. None of the European Commission are elected by anyone and thus not accountable except to the extent that they follow exactly what the policy set by the European Council is. Your final sentence above makes little sense, I'm afraid.

As for hegemonist. Odd that you should say that when we, a relatively small nation, managed to create a huge empire. The ultimate hegemony. [SEPH]: What the hell has that irrelevance got to do with the situation today? Are you short of good argument?