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Old 04-10-2018, 12:34   #1614
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Re: Brexit Discussion (Follow First Post Rules!)

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth View Post
"Peace is the founding principle of the EU" - Jason Hunter in his Project Fear speech.

"In truth, Brussels is a democracy-free zone" - Janis Varoufakis https://www.theguardian.com/politics...at-theresa-may

"EU doesn't do democracy" - Seph

The core of the economic argument is that the UK is so deeply integrated with the EU at the practical level that leaving on WTO terms will severely knock us back.

The core of the democratic argument is that the UK should be sovereign and free from the EU's shackles (to the extent they exist - which is where there is debate).

The piggy in the middle is the Irish border and the EU are playing that n order to undemocratically shackle us to the Customs Union and split the UK into two.

In these circumstances, sovereignty trumps economics and we should take the hit if it comes and build from there
As the late great Christopher Hitchens once said:

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There you have it ladies and gentleman — there you have it, you see how far the termites have spread and how long and well they’ve dined
The option never presented to the people of the UK: the Leave option that makes you poorer in all sorts of ways. The final play of the Great Democracy Swindle.

Oh, and let's drop the child-like "Project Fear" rubbish shall we? If he is wrong, say why he is wrong and articulate the reasons that No Deal is not as damaging as he fears.

The constant use of this banal retort is just lazy ..
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