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Old 30-09-2018, 15:32   #1554
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Re: Brexit Discussion (Follow First Post Rules!)
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth View Post
They are not properly debated. At best they are skirted around.

Can we assume that you are happy with French manipulation of the CAP so that it suits them? You’ll prolly deny it has happened and demand evidence.

Can we assume that you are happy with Germany’s illegal 8% surplus and their determination to keep things that way at the expense of everyone else?

Can we assume that you are happy with Germany’s shenanigans trying to ensure that the next Juncker is a German? I (sarcastically) wonder why that might be.

Can we assume that you are happy with Varadka’s perfidious behaviour towards us? The country that instantly lent them £7 billion when the skids were under them in 2008?
Firstly, if anyone wants to make a case for anything then having evidence to back up that case will make it stronger and persuade people to your point of view. Only recently, you stated that the UK was 100% self-sufficient in meat without any evidence to support this view. The actual figure was 80% as someone corrected you. So some will be reading your posturings with a pinch of salt, unfair as that may seem to you.

Like Churchill, I prefer to be inside the tent and pissing out than outside the tent and pissing in. No system is perfect but the EU is our biggest market and to trade with them in the future, our standards will have to match theirs or they won't accept our goods. And we won't be able to influence those standards; it will be your "chums" in Paris, Madrid and Berlin who will do that. So what do we actually gain? Control of our borders? We have that already if we bothered to enforce the rights we have?

As for trade deals, the EU has already negotiated rafts of them with more on the way. Nothing is stopping us from selling outside the Single Market as an EU Member State. Indeed, there is a huge advantage to chasing international opportunities from a home market of 350m people than just 65m people. Just ask China! Instead, the UK will have shot itself in the foot before it starts any international race, by shrinking its domestic market from 350m to 65m people!

Lastly, does anyone seriously believe it’s easier to negotiate trade deals as 3% of the world economy v now as 30%? And does anyone have any clue how long FTAs take to negotiate in reality v what Liam Fox told us?

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth View Post
As I said, skirting round the issues.
Angua has succinctly and eloquently responded to your points. I believe Damien tackled them too in some depth. Because you've failed to win people over to your way of thinking doesn't mean that they've not answered them.
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