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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I've said it's not on the agenda which is correct. Ever closer union” isn’t specifically a call for political union. Hopefully you actually voted out for a valid reason and not your misunderstanding of this situation.
https://fullfact.org/europe/explaini...-closer-union/

You have selected a particular "reality check" to support a narrow analysis of the meaning of two words.

The true march towards political union is expressed in the recent words of Juncker, who wants certain important devolved powers to be centralised in Brussels. The European Parliament wants political union (see Verhofstad for details). I have no idea whether or not creeping transfer of powers will reach a tipping point; but it's certainly the political goal of those running the EU.

Do you believe that Remainers are in favour of the transfer of sovereignty to Brussels? And indeed, are you?



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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Brexit is confusing enough without introducing metaphors!
Some countries in the EU may want union but most don't so I don't think that's on the agenda. The UK would never go along with this if it remained in the EU so that's nothing I've ever worried about.
Regarding who is a true Brit or not; I suggest a re-reading of post #1 in this thread.

"Good Brit" (which is what I said) does not equate to "true Brit".

That said, you're prolly right. But they (EU) have succeeded so far with a whole load of directives, including the WTD which they fiddled through by making it a H&S directive only requiring a qualified majority. You'll recall that the WTD was strongly promoted by France who were worried about labour force advantage, particularly in the UK, as compared with their restrictive practices. The EU is full of this stuff, the CAP which favours France; the Euro which favours Germany. How on earth you can have a long term single currency without a single common fiscal policy will unpick itself in due course when the Euro implodes or suffers a crisis more serious than Greece.