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Originally Posted by Angua

If you mean ideological then use the word ideological.

They are still negotiating according to the EU rules, which has nothing to do with ideology or theology. Theoretically they could change the rules, but with 27 countries standing behind those rules they have no reason to change them for a country that wishes to leave the union under which those rules apply.

You read like an apologist for the EU. Get this: by democratic Referendum, the UK voted to leave the EU (and they consider that a heresy (metaphorically so).

Macron said "'Those who explain that we can easily live without Europe, that everything is going to be alright, and that it's going to bring a lot of money home, are liars".

In anyone's language, that is a threat to the UK, slamming the door on reasonable negotiations. We can get into stupid argument about who lied the most from both sides but the Referendum result rejected the fears posed by the guvmin's circular.

You, and others, are dodging the sovereignty question by hiding behind the EU's right to be difficult instead of criticising it. Shameful.


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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

1. Yes, her objectives are to save the Conservative Party and to try and get a deal better than was clear when she set her red lines.
2&3. I know it's Sunday but don't think religion is involved although I'm open to correction. The EU's objective is to make sure that members are to incentivise membership, ie a country is better off being a member of the EU than not being a member.

Have you heard of the term Metaphor?

On your point about the EU's objective I don't think that what you have said is true (UNION is the objective). But I understand what you are saying. However, if I take you at your word, they don't want us to leave and then do better than we are doing now - whether or not that is by way agreement.

But then we have to define "better". It seems to me that this comes down to their understanding of cherry picking.

We really must break free from their shackles and their mission that will subjugate us under their jurisdiction.

If you (Remainers on this thread) can't agree with that, then you are not good Brits.